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But doesn't this still miss the broader point about standard of living that grounded some of Krugman's original posts on this debate many weeks ago? https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/is-europe-in-economic-decline I understand that grounding these discussions in the proper evaluation of productivity data is important, but it looks like you're missing the forest for the trees here. Has this productivity gap that you all assert exists led to read differences in standard of living between the U.S. and Europe?

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"Krugman asks us to confront the possibility that Dutch output per hour sat about 25 percent above the American level in 2000 and has fallen toward it since. He sees this as a reductio ad absurdum: surely the Netherlands was not that much more productive a generation ago. We are quite comfortable with the possibility that the Netherlands was ahead in 2000 and it has been falling behind the US year after year. This is Europe’s productivity problem, which the current-PPP comparison hides and which is the whole point of the last row of our table."

The constant price productivity dataset has much stranger implications than merely accepting the Netherlands was 20% more productive than the United States in 2000:

(1) Italy was also 20% more productive than the United States in 1995.

(2) Italy was also more productive than the United States in 1995.

(2) The United States would have been one of the poorest nations in Western Europe by this metric even the monetary union.

https://data-explorer.oecd.org/vis?lc=en&tm=productivity&pg=0&snb=585&vw=tb&df[ds]=dsDisseminateFinalDMZ&df[id]=DSD_PDB%40DF_PDB_LV&df[ag]=OECD.SDD.TPS&df[vs]=1.0&dq=ESP%2BAUT%2BFIN%2BUSA%2BITA.A.GDPHRS..USD_PPP_H.Q...&to[TIME_PERIOD]=false&pd=1995%2C

Measuring productivity in 1995 based on 2025 prices is a bad approach for cross-national comparison that leads to the exact paradox Krugman describes; this is treating the US high tech output as less valuable than it was at the time. Using the current price data is a better approximation for what we are actually trying to measure: economic welfare.

We as Europeans shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking cold war Europe was much richer than the United States. This problem is well documented and there have been attempts to rectify it, the PWT dataset explicitly tries to tackle this problem by measuring using an adjusted deflator that allows the prices of products to vary over time and not relying on the tabulation in national datasets as much as the OECD and WB do.

https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/docs/the_next_generation_of_the_penn_world_table.pdf

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/labor-productivity-per-hour-pennworldtable

These datasets suggest that Western Europe has been a relatively close follower since 2000, hovering below the US at 80-90% of US productivity and mostly less than that using the current price TFP. It's instructive here to point out (as Garicano et al. have repeatedly stated across posts) that we also shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking economic reform is not necessary (even if wage & GDP growth are fine). To what extent Europe's tech lag is a security problem is related but still largely adjacent to what extent it is an economic problem.

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