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Jesse Frederik's avatar

I think problem in wind energy is the same as in nuclear energy. Most cost reductions are from vertical scaling (i.e. bigger blades). Just like in nuclear you will go on with vertical scaling up untill the point logistics get so massively complicated that it gets close to unbuildable. We are hitting the S-curve on vertical scaling (especially on land). I would say: one advantage of offshore wind is that you can keep on vertically scaling for longer, due to logistics (you can't transport truly MASSIVE blades on land, but you can over sea). Also: interest rates arent that low anymore – that's a major source of cost. https://decorrespondent.nl/15355/kernenergie-niet-nodig-niet-slim-en-niet-te-betalen/a95a368a-57e8-0a02-3771-a37846ed2fba This is quite different from solar energy.

Some more notes: Netherlands is also paying for the connection to the grid (which is different in UK I think?). This is quite expensive for offshore infrastructure. It's also a bit of a mess, because the users of Dutch wind energy are also foreign, while grid cost are payed by domestic users.

Dutch power prices are extremely low during large part of the summer due to massive solar roof expansion. It's quite difficult to make money for wind developers with low or negative prices during much of the summer. Wind is negatively correlated with solar energy (more in winter than in summer), so the business case might improve if heating demand gets electrified.

I think we should be bullish on solar energy, but the fact is that the Northern-Europeean countries without hydro are not very well suited to the cheapest technologies with most energy demand in the winter. Countries like Spain or states like Texas are.

Andrew Montford's avatar

In 2017, when the green blob started reporting that offshore wind could be delivered at £40 or so, we said it was nonsense.

https://thegwpf.org/publications/forget-the-spin-offshore-wind-costs-are-not-falling/

We said it again in 2021

https://thegwpf.org/publications/cheap-offshore-wind-power-claims-are-false-data-reveals/

For this we were demonised and excluded from polite society. But we were telling the truth, and the green blob was lying.

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