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Jesse Frederik's avatar

I think problem in wind energy is the same as in nuclear energy. Most cost reductions are from vertical scaling (i.e. bigger blades). Just like in nuclear you will go on with vertical scaling up untill the point logistics get so massively complicated that it gets close to unbuildable. We are hitting the S-curve on vertical scaling (especially on land). I would say: one advantage of offshore wind is that you can keep on vertically scaling for longer, due to logistics (you can't transport truly MASSIVE blades on land, but you can over sea). Also: interest rates arent that low anymore – that's a major source of cost. https://decorrespondent.nl/15355/kernenergie-niet-nodig-niet-slim-en-niet-te-betalen/a95a368a-57e8-0a02-3771-a37846ed2fba This is quite different from solar energy.

Some more notes: Netherlands is also paying for the connection to the grid (which is different in UK I think?). This is quite expensive for offshore infrastructure. It's also a bit of a mess, because the users of Dutch wind energy are also foreign, while grid cost are payed by domestic users.

Dutch power prices are extremely low during large part of the summer due to massive solar roof expansion. It's quite difficult to make money for wind developers with low or negative prices during much of the summer. Wind is negatively correlated with solar energy (more in winter than in summer), so the business case might improve if heating demand gets electrified.

I think we should be bullish on solar energy, but the fact is that the Northern-Europeean countries without hydro are not very well suited to the cheapest technologies with most energy demand in the winter. Countries like Spain or states like Texas are.

Moritz's avatar

I don't see the alternative to Wind for Europe. Overbuilding solar to such a degree that you still produce enough energy in the Winter is completely unrealistic any time soon, and battery storage doesn't store energy long enough to use excess generation from the summer in the winter. Coal and Nuclear energy work as a base load but become way too expensive if you are turning them off for most of the year due to high solar generation, there isn't a lot of untapped potential for Hydropower, and we want to reduce our dependency on imported fossil fuels, because we would be dependent on at least one of Russia, the US and the Gulf, and all of them are at best unreliable allies that are willing to coerce us with this dependence and at worst actively hostile to us.

Wind energy is relatively complimentary to solar and I don't see any alternative for Europe for electricity generation in the winter that doesn't have worse problems.

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